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Innectis - Minecraft Server => Announcements => Topic started by: Vector on October 10, 2013, 01:33:53 AM
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I finally enacted on something I brought up over a year ago when I was an administrator, and this wasn't really dwelt upon. Over the years that Innectis has been around we've had quite a few players who have been considered bad enough that they were no longer considered part of Innectis. As a result, they were permanently banned from our community.
What exactly did permanent mean? It meant that we pretty much gave up on the person and did not allow them anymore timed bans. It was time to go, the ban never to be lifted again. This presented a problem, and it has actually been violated before. Once someone has been banned permanently, there may come a time in their life where they actually changed, but could not show it on our server at all.
We've given a few people the opportunity to come back after being permanently banned. This was of course an issue because it violated our definition of permanent, and even annoyed a few people in the process.
As a kindhearted person I wish to give chances to everyone to try and prove if they are a much better person. This is why I've decided to change our permanently banned system to an indefinitely banned system. What's the catch? Unlike permanently banned now we can actually freely decide if we should allow someone back whose been indefinitely banned, giving them a fresh start.
So you are going to see "banned indefinitely" instead of "banned permanently" from now on in ban topics, indicating the change in the system.
Also, rule breakers, be warned. We are also going to wipe all your lots once you become indefinitely banned. This way, when you come back, you are given a fresh start in the server.
I hope these changes will be good changes for the future.
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So are curennt permenatly banned members now banned indefinitely? Do they have a chance of coming back?
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So are curennt permenatly banned members now banned indefinitely? Do they have a chance of coming back?
Yes, all permanent bans that are currently in effect are now indefinite. That means they can come back if the staff feel they are worthy of coming back.
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So are curennt permenatly banned members now banned indefinitely? Do they have a chance of coming back?
Yes, all permanent bans that are currently in effect are now indefinite. That means they can come back if the staff feel they are worthy of coming back.
You are setting a very, very bad precedent by this. This seems just a convenient way of dodging the problem of Perma Bans rather than actually fixing it.
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This is brilliant, not.
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So are curennt permenatly banned members now banned indefinitely? Do they have a chance of coming back?
Yes, all permanent bans that are currently in effect are now indefinite. That means they can come back if the staff feel they are worthy of coming back.
You are setting a very, very bad precedent by this. This seems just a convenient way of dodging the problem of Perma Bans rather than actually fixing it.
I don't understand. I did this to FIX the problem which was that we kept going against the definition of permanent.
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This idea seems ridiculous to me....
No offence meant of course but by doing this you're now saying to ArronM and all the others who have been banned permanently,
we will ban you until we've forgotten so much about you, then you can rejoin.
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If there is a moment where any of you guys become indefinitely banned, you'll be thanking Alpha when we reconsider the ban at a later date.
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Heyheyheyhey guys! I honestly don't care what you guys make or say of this comment by any means. Alpha sits here trying to come up with a decent solution that suits his style of things and you just shoot him down like cancer. I don't give two s**** what you think about this idea it is NEVER reason to sit there and deny something without hard consideration. Alpha spoke to me about this decision before and yes, even I had a couple issues and suggestions about it and I said them in a calm, peaceful manner. For once I don't care what people say or think about the comment's and what I say.
I was thinking about leaving innectis and this stubborn response from people who are unwilling to change even the worst part of the server for the better makes me feel like doing it more, because if everyone is going to be like this, this definitely is not the community for me.
If there is a moment where any of you guys become indefinitely banned, you'll be thanking Alpha when we reconsider the ban at a later date.
At least Egg gets part of the picture, try to think more like him for once guys.
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I'm an Adventist. I'm a kindhearted person. I am aware that people can change their outlook. People CAN change... I never would have made this decision if I didn't think people could change.
Do you trust my decision or are you so bent on your own that it negates my decision? Do you have faith in me or not? You think I'm going to slowly bring down Innectis with decisions like this?
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I'm an Adventist. I'm a kindhearted person. I am aware that people can change their outlook. People CAN change... I never would have made this decision if I didn't think people could change.
Do you trust my decision or are you so bent on your own that it negates my decision? Do you have faith in me or not? You think I'm going to slowly bring down Innectis with decisions like this?
You know my answer to this already
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This is ridiculous. End of.
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This is ridiculous. End of.
Brain plasticity. Look it up, don't hide behind your own opinions.
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So are curennt permenatly banned members now banned indefinitely? Do they have a chance of coming back?
Yes, all permanent bans that are currently in effect are now indefinite. That means they can come back if the staff feel they are worthy of coming back.
Let's wait until Freddietrev comes back.... We'll all be equally screwed until you guys do something about it without denying our reports.
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So are curennt permenatly banned members now banned indefinitely? Do they have a chance of coming back?
Yes, all permanent bans that are currently in effect are now indefinite. That means they can come back if the staff feel they are worthy of coming back.
Let's wait until Freddietrev comes back.... We'll all be equally screwed until you guys do something about it without denying our reports.
Nicole you have no idea what Freddie may be like now. He may have completely changed, maybe he doesn't want to come back to innectis anyway
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Freddie impacted us a lot. I am not ready at all for him to come back. So have others. The staff care deeply about the community, we're not going to make a decision that will have much negative impact. Please don't look at this decision as that in ANY way.
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Freddie impacted us a lot. I am not ready at all for him to come back. So have others. The staff care deeply about the community, we're not going to make a decision that will have much negative impact. Please don't look at this decision as that in ANY way.
Then who ARE being considered for ban lifting?
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That depends. It's not like we have a list, ready to unban at a moment's notice. We weigh their past behavior on the community, how long they've been banned, the impact they had, and other factors.
Remember, it is our decision that they were banned in the first place, we're more than capable of determining if they deserve another shot.
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If there is a moment where any of you guys become indefinitely banned, you'll be thanking Alpha when we reconsider the ban at a later date.
I'm sure Fangula thanked Alpha many times.
Seriously, what we're dealing with here is essentially a code of laws. You're telling me that even the worst of the worst murderers, psychopaths and thieves aren't up for spending the rest of their lives behind bars?
It's not that I hate 'indefinate bans', it's that rather than admitting you made a mistake and putting correct processes in place to ensure that it doesn't happen again, you throw it out the window and establish a solution that suits yourself better.
If you want my opinion on what should be done here, I say work out a process of review that determines when a person doesn't deserve another chance, and keep indefinate bans as a sort of limbo that goes with that process. Hell, I'll even help you set something like that up if you want. But for the love of all that is good and right in this world, don't throw permas use out the window because your subjective religious affiliation says they're not necessary. Being raised as a Lutheran I can see that Christianity works that way, however society as a whole does not.
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Let's wait until Freddietrev comes back.... We'll all be equally screwed until you guys do something about it without denying our reports.
Not if I have anything to do with that,
Side Note:
Considering this decision was made with the consultation of 2 of our staff members...I'll just shut up, my opinion obviously doesn't matter in this instance.
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goh, perma bans have pretty much always been this anyway. A lot and I do mean a lot of perma bans have been revoked before and a lot of people were not happy with it. The reason they were never happy with it is because fhey fail to see how people CAN change and it is the fact people CAN change that Alpha sees and why he made the decision of indefinate bans for the server. Indefinate bans is a much better idea in a whole than permanent bans, but the way it fits into the server will take a little time to work out and settle in. I know some people who will never be happy with it (As ever, I don't name names) but tough luck. I came on and read this post and very few of you even had the decence to consider the idea and respect the servers owbers decision, why not try coming up with your own ideas for a few days instead of critisizing everyone elses JUST because they don't suit your way of doing things. Besides it isn't like most people who were permabanned will even read this topic, let alone come back.
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goh, perma bans have pretty much always been this anyway. A lot and I do mean a lot of perma bans have been revoked before and a lot of people were not happy with it. The reason they were never happy with it is because fhey fail to see how people CAN change and it is the fact people CAN change that Alpha sees and why he made the decision of indefinate bans for the server.
I did state that permas had been revoked in the past for little more than 'maybe they'll be different this time...' Like I said, I'm not hostile to indefinites per se, I just don't believe that any server should get rid of permabans altogether. That seems extremely counter-productive, as I'm sure many will agree and have agreed on this thread.
This is not about failing to see the good in people. This is about not drawing a line and knowing when to say 'enough is enough'.
I know some people who will never be happy with it (As ever, I don't name names) but tough luck. I came on and read this post and very few of you even had the decence to consider the idea and respect the servers owbers decision, why not try coming up with your own ideas for a few days instead of critisizing everyone elses JUST because they don't suit your way of doing things. Besides it isn't like most people who were permabanned will even read this topic, let alone come back.
"As ever, I don't name names". I presume you're implying myself or SGT? That line seems unnecessary and if any thing a veiled barb that you certainly know people will pick up on. But, I digress. I'm not here to argue semantics.
I have been extremely vocal about my stance on Permabans for well over two years now, and have suggested on countless occasions that there needs to be protocols in place that determine when it is right to permaban someone. This simple bit of planning would fix everything, clarify any confusion between staff and players and on the whole benefit the server greatly. However, my suggestions have gone unheeded. I even made a suggestion in my last post on this topic. Don't lecture me about not being productive.
As for permabanned members coming back and reading the topic, I admit you have a point there. Many of the previously permabanned members have since moved on and have not been seen around the forums for quite some time. However, this is not going to be the case in the future. When I said it sets a bad precedent, this decision gives the impression that you can, in the end, get away with anything without final and definitive consequences.
I don't want to start a revolution. I don't want to start a mob out for Alpha's head. I want basic common sense and the fundamental principles of Law to be used over moral judgements.
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Ok, can somebody just lock this, please, it's getting a little out of hand, I am not the longest running person on here, so I don't know who is right, nor do I care, all I know, is that a lot of you are being ridiculous. As for the idea itself, it has some decent reason behind it, but it could be tweaked a little, I understand people can change, I know, to be honest, I am A LOT different than I was 3 or 4 years ago. On the other hand some just are stuck in their habits and either will not, or will take a lot to change. End of my point, and I hope the drama can end, this is not a cheesy reality tv show.
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This doesn't actually guarantee that someone will be unbanned, however. It just simply allows us the freedom of being able to determine if they're able to come back. Some people may never come back.
And I'll do as Canadian wished, because this is pretty ridiculous.
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I agree with SGT. The idea of indefinite bans shows weakness. It gives players more freedom in what they do, they can manipulate the staff into undoing a permanent ban. Sure not everyone is that undermining, but it is a flaw in the system.
This idea if an indefinite ban is "too nice". Case closed