Fangula ( Fourth Ban )

[mercenaryfrost]

Once again, Fangula got on the server and the first thing he did was annoy and mislead other users. He automatically attacked a question i received on elections, and then went on to further bash my other statements, such as ones on donating. All he does is claim he speaks his opinion when in reality its just his desperate attempt to annoy other users. He has been banned twice before, and I'm about to perma-ban him if he doesn't calm down.

Banned for 20 days because after two bans, you know exactly not what to do. You are not what this server needs, but if you appeal respectfully and actually promise to not be a bad troll, you might get a lesser ban.

0/10 Trolling

[Fangula]

Once again, Fangula got on the server and the first thing he did was annoy and mislead other users. He automatically attacked a question i received on elections, and then went on to further bash my other statements, such as ones on donating. All he does is claim he speaks his opinion when in reality its just his desperate attempt to annoy other users. He has been banned twice before, and I'm about to perma-ban him if he doesn't calm down.

Banned for 20 days because after two bans, you know exactly not what to do. You are not what this server needs, but if you appeal respectfully and actually promise to not be a bad troll, you might get a lesser ban.

0/10 Trolling

I will respectfully appeal, and also respectfully disagree with you. I was not attempting at all to annoy anyone. All I did was say that US elections are fraudulent. Then that topic got dropped quickly, and someone asked how to get VIP. I said you gotta pay, or something, and that in my opinion I think it's a waste of money. mercenary said it's for a good cause, and I asked about what cause it's for. People take everything so seriously on this server, you can't even speak your own opinion. Then some people started saying I should be banned (i think) for the fact that I think it's a waste of money to donate to servers (any server).

You're right, it is a 0/10 trolling, because I wasn't trolling. People got annoyed, but that's on them. I wasn't even trying to annoy anyone. In all fairness, anyone can sit around and say they're being annoyed for any reason. Even for someone using their freedom of speech, which from what I've seen this server is abhorrently and greatly opposed to. This is just my perspective, from what I've witnessed. I am a very opinionated person, and anyone who knows me knows that I speak my mind. That does not mean that I am trolling.

In a respectful way, I must say that it is not my fault that people get annoyed with every small thing that someone (anyone) says. The topic I was talking about and speaking my opinion about was not even of a derogatory nature. Mercenaryfrost, in my opinion, simply likes to turn things into trouble when I'm around and purposely find a reason to kick or ban me. I see great bias in this ban, and I truly believe it's unfair. The other bans were fair, I admit. But this ban... not fair at all.

No swear words were used. It was a small discussion on why I think donating to the server is a waste of (my) money. If anything, other people were being more "offensive" than I was by their word usage and rudeness. If anything, people were being rude to me, not the other way around.

I would like to completely appeal this ban for an unban.

[mercenaryfrost]

I'm sure we'll love to see the chat logs and see you lie through your teeth. Your ban is remaining as is.

[Fangula]

I'm sure we'll love to see the chat logs and see you lie through your teeth. Your ban is remaining as is.

I am not lying through my teeth. I never said anything bad at all. The reason you banned me was because I said, "the reason people are arguing about nothing is because they're being trolled LoL". That was a joke. I was not trolling anyone. I'd like to understand why you think I was trolling, and why you think what I said was so horrible. Could you explain the reasoning for this? I'd really like to know.

Also, something I don't understand is why you guys have an /ignore function at all. Nobody utilizes it, and nobody is encouraged to engage it if they're annoyed by someone. I don't understand why you don't implement this policy: to tell people to ignore the person they're being annoyed by. Why do you guys even have an ignore function?

P.S. I am excited for these logs, because it will show that I am not lying at all. It will probably show how quickly you are to jump on the ban trigger with me. Also, can I ask you a personal question? Why are you against freedom of speech?

P.S.S. From what I see, you spend more time trying to find things that you think I'm doing wrong than actually just relaxing and having a good time. The second I speak is the second you attempt to purposely try and twist my spoken opinions into me being an annoyance/a troll. Just because I've trolled in the past doesn't mean I came in with the intention of trolling, or even trolled at all. When one is biased against another, the mind tends to twist everything negatively. Freedom of speech is a good thing. I do not see how speaking my opinion respectfully is trolling/attempting to be annoying. There are a lot of people in the world, and it's unfortunate that, from my perspective, you seem to be so intolerant of the diversity of belief and people in this world. I wasn't even being offensive. Everybody else was attempting to be rude to me, such as Skye calling me a moron and everybody being a jerk. Why am I picked out of the crowd, then? Because of incredible bias. I can understand, though, that you would be biased FOR people who have donated to the server. Money talks, I guess, huh? Still unfair, though I understand the logic. You wouldn't want to ban those who help provide income. Also, why would I bother with a "desperate attempt at annoying others"? 

I can easily tell you in detail about the happenings prior to my banning, and be truthful about it. And I am. I don't see you doing anything but being extremely vague about it in the OP. Please provide logs.
Also, let's not forget about the guy who was trying to troll me by calling me a "kid." Disrespectful. It's in the logs. I forgot his name, though. But I guess I'm the only one who gets seen as being a "troll," even if I'm not trolling and being picked out of the crowd amongst other people who are clearly being disrespectful and rude.

Another example is Skye, who blatantly called me a moron in global chat. I didn't know that name-calling was acceptable on Innectis. From what I saw, he didn't even get warned for that.

[TheJudged]

You do make good arguements fangula just for looking at the extensive writing too bad they are all invalid, offence done. Ban action taken not to be retracted, unless merc thinks otherwise, his decision.

[Fangula]

You do make good arguements fangula just for looking at the extensive writing too bad they are all invalid, offence done. Ban action taken not to be retracted, unless merc thinks otherwise, his decision.

How are they all invalid? All I did was tell the truth. Look at the logs... nothing I said was invalid.
It's clear to me that I am being targeted any time I come on the server. Anything I say seems to become "offensive" even if it isn't meant to be, and even if nobody else outside of innectis would consider it to be. I honestly was not trying to troll or be annoying. I can't help it that people consider me to be annoying when I'm not attempting to be. People have their own opinions, and that's fine. I believe in freedom of speech. Clearly, this server is against it. All I do is offer my opinion. I do not see how that justifies a ban, or even a kick.

Everything I was saying was an innocent opinion. No trolling, no attempt at being annoying. It's not my fault that people decided to argue MORE than I was arguing. Obviously there's extreme bias and discrimination in this ban. Just because a mod may disagree with my opinion doesn't mean I should be banned or even kicked for it. It seems to me that the only thing anyone can do on that server is agree with everything a mod says, even if it's based on opinion and subjectivity. I was not being rude or offensive, or in the least making inflammatory comments. All I did was say that I, personally, believe that donating to the server is a waste of money, and that I would not do it (me). I was not trying to mislead anyone. It seems like some people are really paranoid on this server. I don't understand how anyone could get the idea that I was attempting to mislead people. I couldn't care less if people donate to the server or not. I just said that I would not do it.  I never tried to convince anyone to not donate. They can do whatever they want.

[Fangula]

So nobody is really giving me a chance to appeal my ban. There are people who have exploited bugs and abused features on innectis, appealed the ban and the ban was lifted. However, because Fangula simply stated his opinion about something, he was banned and hardly was given a chance to appeal the ban.

[Nosliw]

Fangula, if you wait for an Administrator that is able to view the chatlogs, then action may be taken depending on the outcome.

[Fangula]

Fangula, if you wait for an Administrator that is able to view the chatlogs, then action may be taken depending on the outcome.

I will do that. Thanks.

[mercenaryfrost]

While you were " voicing your opinion " several users showed discontent and asked you to stop, which you ignored. You also say that every time you get on that you are a target; after 2 bans, yes, you are obviously going to known as a troublemaker, but it is always you who starts the conflict. There have been times where you have calmed down and actually acted somewhat OK, and nothing has happened. This time, as soon as you got on you started another conflict.

[Lynxy]

Here's the chatlog

2012-02-21 20:50:34  | Global - Savior_FT -  - Frost, How did you become Mod?
2012-02-21 20:50:42  | Global - mercenaryfrost -  - An Election
2012-02-21 20:50:50  | Global - SkyeHeart -  - I will be the next mod.
2012-02-21 20:51:00  | Global - Savior_FT -  - You guys have elections?
2012-02-21 20:51:07  | Global - mercenaryfrost -  - Every now and then, yeah
2012-02-21 20:51:10  | Global - Fangula -  - we have false elections, eyah
2012-02-21 20:51:12  | Global - Fangula -  - yeah*
2012-02-21 20:51:13  | Global - Savior_FT -  - Cool
2012-02-21 20:51:22  | Global - Fangula -  - fraudulent electrions
2012-02-21 20:51:31  | Global - Savior_FT -  - Lucky, I was told to grief you xD
2012-02-21 20:51:35  | Global - mercenaryfrost -  - The elections aren't false
2012-02-21 20:51:39  | Global - mercenaryfrost -  - Don't mislead people
2012-02-21 20:51:47  | Global - Fangula -  - in the US? yes they are
2012-02-21 20:52:04  | Global - PajamaDay -  - Super v.i.p's have 1
2012-02-21 20:52:22  | Global - Fangula -  - super vip's just like to waste their money
2012-02-21 20:52:27  | Global - Fangula -  -
2012-02-21 20:52:33  | Global - PajamaDay -  - Negatory
2012-02-21 20:52:41  | Global - mercenaryfrost -  - Innectis is a good cause, well worth the donation money
2012-02-21 20:52:48  | Global - Fangula -  - same with vip's
2012-02-21 20:52:59  | Global - Savior_FT -  - Im donating to a hospital...
2012-02-21 20:53:05  | Global - Exprezues -  - Kids like you waste your parents money
2012-02-21 20:53:06  | Global - Fangula -  - i don't see how it's a good cause if i can't even seem to figure out the cause
2012-02-21 20:53:15  | Global - Fangula -  - what is the cause?
2012-02-21 20:53:24  | Global - mercenaryfrost -  - The money goes towards running the server
2012-02-21 20:53:34  | Global - Fangula -  - ok what is the cause of the server?
2012-02-21 20:53:40  | Global - Fangula -  - what is the overall idealogy
2012-02-21 20:53:41  | Global - Fangula -  - ?
2012-02-21 20:53:52  | Global - Exprezues -  - It's a game kid, what do you think?
2012-02-21 20:53:55  | Global - TheJuanTron7 -  - none that i know of
2012-02-21 20:53:59  | Global - TheJuanTron7 -  - just to play minecraft
2012-02-21 20:54:06  | Global - Fangula -  - then why would you say the money goes toward a good cause?
2012-02-21 20:54:17  | Global - Fangula -  - that implies that you're supporting some movement or something.
2012-02-21 20:54:20  | Global - Patriot28 -  - It goes to fund/ run the server
2012-02-21 20:54:25  | Global - mercenaryfrost -  - Because the money is required to  run the server
2012-02-21 20:54:27  | Global - Fangula -  - well i know that
2012-02-21 20:54:34  | Global - Fangula -  - obviously, mercenary
2012-02-21 20:54:34  | Global - Patriot28 -  - thats a good cause
2012-02-21 20:54:45  | Global - Fangula -  - but what it implies is that you're using the money to fund a movement or something
2012-02-21 20:54:50  | Global - Fangula -  - or supporting some kind of movement
2012-02-21 20:55:33  | Global - Exprezues -  - It's donating to a server, maybe it implies that if you've never heard of that or your'e just dumb.
2012-02-21 20:56:00  | Global - Savior_FT -  - Is donating to a hospital worth it?
2012-02-21 20:56:13  | Global - Exprezues -  - Yeah... lol
2012-02-21 20:56:16  | Global - Fangula -  - "the money goes towards a good cause" is subjective, then.
2012-02-21 20:56:31  | Global - Fangula -  - a video game isn't a "good cause," it's just a game.
2012-02-21 20:56:41  | Global - Patriot28 -  - Q_Q really, your making a big deal about donating
2012-02-21 20:56:47  | Global - Fangula -  - i'm not
2012-02-21 20:56:49  | Global - mercenaryfrost -  - Fang, do you want to be banned for the third time?
2012-02-21 20:56:53  | Global - Exprezues -  - No, he's just being a *****
2012-02-21 20:56:53  | Global - theyoungster1 -  - wait... fangula?
2012-02-21 20:56:55  | Global - Exprezues -  - cough
2012-02-21 20:56:56  | Global - Fangula -  - banned for what?
2012-02-21 20:57:06  | Global - theyoungster1 -  - Ah, i heard you were banned earlier.
2012-02-21 20:57:12  | Global - mercenaryfrost -  - annoying the community and misleading others
2012-02-21 20:57:24  | Global - Fangula -  - i'm not misleading anyone.
2012-02-21 20:57:34  | Global - Exprezues -  - Youre sure as hell annoying though.
2012-02-21 20:57:34  | Global - Fangula -  - and people should learn the /ignore function.
2012-02-21 20:57:36  | Global - mercenaryfrost -  - " donating to innectis is not worth it"
2012-02-21 20:57:49  | Global - Fangula -  - if i'm annoying you, use the /ignore function. that's what it's there for.
2012-02-21 20:57:57  | Global - mercenaryfrost -  - Or i can use the kick function
2012-02-21 20:58:00  | Global - mercenaryfrost -  - Or the mute function
2012-02-21 20:58:01  | Global - PajamaDay -  - If you annoyed everyone then what happens man
2012-02-21 20:58:02  | Global - Patriot28 -  - =D
2012-02-21 20:58:08  | Global - Fangula -  - how is that misleading anyone? that's my personal opinion.
2012-02-21 20:58:09  | Global - theyoungster1 -  - That's what they're there for :L
2012-02-21 20:58:20  | Global - PajamaDay -  - Fangula, think of it as Treason.
2012-02-21 20:58:22  | Global - LunarLobster -  - t/stop talking
2012-02-21 20:58:33  | Global - TheJuanTron7 -  - twhat was ur personal opinion fangula?
2012-02-21 20:58:40  | Global - Fangula -  - my personal opinion is that donating to any server is a waste of money.
2012-02-21 20:58:56  | Global - Patriot28 -  - God, In soviet russia, We would hog tie you and strap you to a bear
2012-02-21 20:58:59  | Global - Fangula -  - my personal opinion is that which mercenaryfrost is threatening toban me for. i've done nothing wron
2012-02-21 20:59:08  | Global - Fangula -  - i've done nothing wrong here, and nobody has told me to be quiet yet.
2012-02-21 20:59:19  | Global - theyoungster1 -  - Well, we're telling you now.
2012-02-21 20:59:19  | Global - Fangula -  - so actually, you'd be banning me for no reason at all.
2012-02-21 20:59:21  | Global - mercenaryfrost -  - several people have told you to be quiet
2012-02-21 20:59:29  | Global - Fangula -  - no they haven't
2012-02-21 20:59:32  | Global - Exprezues -  - I just ignored him lol
2012-02-21 20:59:37  | Global - TheJuanTron7 -  - well, u r not obligated to donate to i guess i can live with that as an opinion tho it sounds more
2012-02-21 20:59:40  | Global - mercenaryfrost -  - Don't try to argue with me
2012-02-21 20:59:44  | Global - TheJuanTron7 -  - like a fact. very different things
2012-02-21 20:59:46  | Global - Fangula -  - yeah, why not just use the ignore function. you may as well just remove the functrion if

I don't see anyone asking him to stop other than merc. I don't feel he was being that annoying, just voicing his opinion on donating. It is not treason if a user does not donate or explains why he feels he shouldn't, as this is a free-to-play server. He wasn't trying to influence others to not donate, I feel this is an unjust ban, so I've lifted it. Sorry for the dilemma fangula.

[StarScythe7]

Wow...After seeing the chat logs I also believe this was unfair.....

He really was just expressing his how he feels about donations and whether or not they could be considered a "Good cause".

About halfway through Merc asks him if he wants to be banned....He wasn't breaking any rules at that point.
2012-02-21 20:56:49  | Global - mercenaryfrost -  - Fang, do you want to be banned for the third time?

He has not done anything to be banned at this point.

Then a bit later merc pretty much minced Fangula's words:
2012-02-21 20:57:36  | Global - mercenaryfrost -  - " donating to innectis is not worth it"

Nowhere in the previous text did he say that at all. he was only arguing whether or not it could be considered a "Good cause", and I don't believe there are any rules against this.

Further down...
2012-02-21 20:59:21  | Global - mercenaryfrost -  - several people have told you to be quiet

Nobody had previously told him to be quiet, only one other person sort of did (theyoungster), and that was directly before Merc said "several people have told you to be quiet".

[Fangula]

Thank you.

[Vector]

I'll admit, you were somewhat annoying there, but you did nothing to really deserve a ban. I'm glad I saw the logs too.

Edit: I'd like to say another thing. Fangula is actually a cool person. He and I are actually friends, and we have a lot of good conversations whenever we talk about stuff. He clearly shows that he is intelligent, but sometimes he seems to almost push his opinion, and say things that might cause others to be confused.

Although he does troll, I've known him to be pretty cool, and it's bias that causes us to be even more unfair to him...

Let's try not to judge based off of how he's acted in the past, even though what I said stands, one more chance. Give the guy a break.

[zer0k]

Without a doubt trying to annoy people, but not ban-worthy IMHO.