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Innectis - Minecraft Server => Bans => Topic started by: mercenaryfrost on January 31, 2012, 11:57:03 PM
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Banned for 2 days for provoking a various users and staff. He harassed a member for his/her sexuality and then went on to claim things such as staff having no power over him, and that people needed his permission to have power. I tried to stop him with several warnings before finally kicking and banning him.
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Banned for 2 days for provoking a various users and staff. He harassed a member for his/her sexuality and then went on to claim things such as staff having no power over him, and that people needed his permission to have power. I tried to stop him with several warnings before finally kicking and banning him.
Nice way of completely twisting the events prior to the ban.
First of all, I was not provoking any users or staff. I did not harass Skye or his sexuality. In fact, Skye called the whole server "faggots", and also used several swear words and got away with no repercussions. If anyone was doing any sexual harassment, it would have been Skye. Not to mention that he used very derogatory terms, all of which are very offensive. I simply called him out on it, and asked you why you weren't going to do anything about it. I did not even swear once, and I got banned. Also, it is true that you have no power over me, unless I give you the power. The same goes with any "authority figure." It's all an illusion of power, and I'm sorry that you're upset that your power trip is an illusion. The only way you can have power over me is if I allow you to, by submitting to it.
This is an unfair and biased ban. If you're going to enforce rules, at least be consistent with every user. Not doing so completely turns these rules into jokes if one person gets to get away free while doing "worse" things, and then the person complaining about the person doing the bad things gets banned... such a joke. Also, being a moderator doesn't make you better than others. Nor does it make you God. Nor does it give you any true 'power', as power over others is merely an illusion. I don't understand how that point I made deserves a ban... probably because I bursted your idea of a power trip.
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So ban me, too. I don't care lol.
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Nor does it give you any true 'power', as power over others is merely an illusion.
And that's why you're banned. ;-]
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I see you omitted the part where Mercenaryfrost followed up the 'faggot' incident with a warning, as per normal procedure. Or where you continued to provoke Skye into conflict by stating that you'd refuse to argue with a 'moron'. Also, I see the philisophical point you're trying to make with the 'illusion of power' idea, but there's this thing called 'tact' which, from the portions of this dispute I observed, you need to work on developing. Outright saying to a moderator or any 'so called' authoritarian figure that they 'have no power', despite your beliefs, is NOT a correct and acceptable way to conduct yourself on our server.
Anyway, that's my two cents worth. If anyone disagrees, we'll leave that in the hands of the Admins to check the chat logs.
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Nor does it give you any true 'power', as power over others is merely an illusion.
And that's why you're banned. ;-]
That's not the point. The point is, I can still choose. I still have free will, regardless if someone is trying to control me. So your point is moot, anyhow. People only try to control others because they feel powerless over themselves. The problem is, power over others does not exist. It's illusory.
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I see you omitted the part where Mercenaryfrost followed up the 'faggot' incident with a warning, as per normal procedure. Or where you continued to provoke Skye into conflict by stating that you'd refuse to argue with a 'moron'. Also, I see the philisophical point you're trying to make with the 'illusion of power' idea, but there's this thing called 'tact' which, from the portions of this dispute I observed, you need to work on developing. Outright saying to a moderator or any 'so called' authoritarian figure that they 'have no power', despite your beliefs, is NOT a correct and acceptable way to conduct yourself on our server.
Anyway, that's my two cents worth. If anyone disagrees, we'll leave that in the hands of the Admins to check the chat logs.
I do not recall saying that I refuse to argue with a moron. Also, tact is merely putting oneself into someone else's perceptual box. It is difficult to offend me, for instance, because 1. I realize that it's just the Internet, 2. They're just words, 3. I really don't care what people think of me. People are normally only offended when they're insecure. And it's true, they have no power over me, and I proved that. They can ban me, etc., but that doesn't change me or my beliefs. I still did what I want, and said what I wanted to. I don't need to use "tact." Not that I have anything against it, I just don't feel the need to always do so. It's really the offended person's fault for being offended. One can choose to be offended or not to be.
Also, Skye was even more offensive than I was. I don't see how I was the one sexually harassing anybody. I wasn't the one who said "faggots," but apparently I'm the one who was sexually harassing him.
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I see you omitted the part where Mercenaryfrost followed up the 'faggot' incident with a warning, as per normal procedure. Or where you continued to provoke Skye into conflict by stating that you'd refuse to argue with a 'moron'. Also, I see the philisophical point you're trying to make with the 'illusion of power' idea, but there's this thing called 'tact' which, from the portions of this dispute I observed, you need to work on developing. Outright saying to a moderator or any 'so called' authoritarian figure that they 'have no power', despite your beliefs, is NOT a correct and acceptable way to conduct yourself on our server.
Anyway, that's my two cents worth. If anyone disagrees, we'll leave that in the hands of the Admins to check the chat logs.
I do not recall saying that I refuse to argue with a moron. Also, tact is merely putting oneself into someone else's perceptual box. It is difficult to offend me, for instance, because 1. I realize that it's just the Internet, 2. They're just words, 3. I really don't care what people think of me. People are normally only offended when they're insecure. And it's true, they have no power over me, and I proved that. They can ban me, etc., but that doesn't change me or my beliefs. I still did what I want, and said what I wanted to. I don't need to use "tact." Not that I have anything against it, I just don't feel the need to always do so. It's really the offended person's fault for being offended. One can choose to be offended or not to be.
Also, Skye was even more offensive than I was. I don't see how I was the one sexually harassing anybody. I wasn't the one who said "faggots," but apparently I'm the one who was sexually harassing him.
You may not, but I certainly DO remember the 'moron' quote. Of course, I had left the server before things escalated to what Mecenaryfrost has considered a bannable offence, but everything you've said was there (minus the denial of percieved 'provocation' and 'sexual harrassment'). So too, was everything that Mercenaryfrost has said. You claimed that Skye and yourself were 'flirting' like 'gay friends' when Luetz asked you to stop - that can easily be taken as sexual harrassment. Perhaps Skye has also breached the rules and deserves a ban, but just keep in mind that you're not exactly innocent either.
Anyway, as I said before, the chat logs are the place to look if there's any confusion as to who did what.
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I see you omitted the part where Mercenaryfrost followed up the 'faggot' incident with a warning, as per normal procedure. Or where you continued to provoke Skye into conflict by stating that you'd refuse to argue with a 'moron'. Also, I see the philisophical point you're trying to make with the 'illusion of power' idea, but there's this thing called 'tact' which, from the portions of this dispute I observed, you need to work on developing. Outright saying to a moderator or any 'so called' authoritarian figure that they 'have no power', despite your beliefs, is NOT a correct and acceptable way to conduct yourself on our server.
Anyway, that's my two cents worth. If anyone disagrees, we'll leave that in the hands of the Admins to check the chat logs.
I do not recall saying that I refuse to argue with a moron. Also, tact is merely putting oneself into someone else's perceptual box. It is difficult to offend me, for instance, because 1. I realize that it's just the Internet, 2. They're just words, 3. I really don't care what people think of me. People are normally only offended when they're insecure. And it's true, they have no power over me, and I proved that. They can ban me, etc., but that doesn't change me or my beliefs. I still did what I want, and said what I wanted to. I don't need to use "tact." Not that I have anything against it, I just don't feel the need to always do so. It's really the offended person's fault for being offended. One can choose to be offended or not to be.
Also, Skye was even more offensive than I was. I don't see how I was the one sexually harassing anybody. I wasn't the one who said "faggots," but apparently I'm the one who was sexually harassing him.
You may not, but I certainly DO remember the 'moron' quote. Of course, I had left the server before things escalated to what Mecenaryfrost has considered a bannable offence, but everything you've said was there (minus the denial of percieved 'provocation' and 'sexual harrassment'). So too, was everything that Mercenaryfrost has said. You claimed that Skye and yourself were 'flirting' like 'gay friends' when Luetz asked you to stop - that can easily be taken as sexual harrassment. Perhaps Skye has also breached the rules and deserves a ban, but just keep in mind that you're not exactly innocent either.
Anyway, as I said before, the chat logs are the place to look if there's any confusion as to who did what.
Haha, that was a joke. I did not see anybody have anything against me saying "this is how we flirt."
Also, I think joking about flirting is a bit different than saying "faggots." Okay, a lot different. I think that is much more offensive and is seen as sexual harassment much more than simply making a joke about how we flirt.
Also, I'd like to see a screenshot of the "moron" quote.
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I see you omitted the part where Mercenaryfrost followed up the 'faggot' incident with a warning, as per normal procedure. Or where you continued to provoke Skye into conflict by stating that you'd refuse to argue with a 'moron'. Also, I see the philisophical point you're trying to make with the 'illusion of power' idea, but there's this thing called 'tact' which, from the portions of this dispute I observed, you need to work on developing. Outright saying to a moderator or any 'so called' authoritarian figure that they 'have no power', despite your beliefs, is NOT a correct and acceptable way to conduct yourself on our server.
Anyway, that's my two cents worth. If anyone disagrees, we'll leave that in the hands of the Admins to check the chat logs.
I do not recall saying that I refuse to argue with a moron. Also, tact is merely putting oneself into someone else's perceptual box. It is difficult to offend me, for instance, because 1. I realize that it's just the Internet, 2. They're just words, 3. I really don't care what people think of me. People are normally only offended when they're insecure. And it's true, they have no power over me, and I proved that. They can ban me, etc., but that doesn't change me or my beliefs. I still did what I want, and said what I wanted to. I don't need to use "tact." Not that I have anything against it, I just don't feel the need to always do so. It's really the offended person's fault for being offended. One can choose to be offended or not to be.
Also, Skye was even more offensive than I was. I don't see how I was the one sexually harassing anybody. I wasn't the one who said "faggots," but apparently I'm the one who was sexually harassing him.
You may not, but I certainly DO remember the 'moron' quote. Of course, I had left the server before things escalated to what Mecenaryfrost has considered a bannable offence, but everything you've said was there (minus the denial of percieved 'provocation' and 'sexual harrassment'). So too, was everything that Mercenaryfrost has said. You claimed that Skye and yourself were 'flirting' like 'gay friends' when Luetz asked you to stop - that can easily be taken as sexual harrassment. Perhaps Skye has also breached the rules and deserves a ban, but just keep in mind that you're not exactly innocent either.
Anyway, as I said before, the chat logs are the place to look if there's any confusion as to who did what.
Haha, that was a joke. I did not see anybody have anything against me saying "this is how we flirt."
Also, I think joking about flirting is a bit different than saying "faggots." Okay, a lot different. I think that is much more offensive and is seen as sexual harassment much more than simply making a joke about how we flirt.
Also, I'd like to see a screenshot of the "moron" quote.
I'll accept that as valid - it's understandable. That said, I'm under the impression that you both were joking, and the situation blew up from those jokes being misinterpreted.
Once again, I'll repeat: the chat logs should probably be searched by an admin to discern what actually happened. Admittedly I have no screenshot - in retrospect, perhaps I should have taken one, but what's done is done.
On a lighter note, the amount of times we've quoted each other is ridiculous - I mean, just LOOK at that! :P
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Wanting to address an issue here..
Access to the Innectis server is not a right, its a privilege, and as such, it may be withdrawn at any time, by logging into the server, you therefore agree to our rules and terms. If you wish to continue using this server, I would recommend that you abide by these rules. Staff on this server have been given the power to enforce those rules, and as such, should not be argued with. If you have a problem with an individual member of staff, please contact Hretsam personally, and do not post it on the forums.
Thank you for your time,
Nosliw
Rainbow Moderator
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What Nosliw said. Use your free speech all you want, if your harassing people you wont be around long. This is the job of our moderators, and we stand behind their decisions.
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Moderators have power over you in that they can ban you. Like they just did. :P
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What Nosliw said. Use your free speech all you want, if your harassing people you wont be around long. This is the job of our moderators, and we stand behind their decisions.
I was not harassing anyone. Learn how to read. Also, seeing as you were not there, you don't have all the information. You're taking the moderator's word for it. So really, what you're saying is that no matter how ignorant you are of the situation, you will stand behind the moderators' decisions. What a joke, rofl.
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I'm no expert on server rules, but I'd suggest zipping it, Fangula. The more you insult the staff, the less you're gonna be around. And really, you just go around, attempting to be an "insightful" troll, which never works out well. What with you getting muted, kicked, etc.
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If he keeps his patterns it may result in a permenant ban.
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Let me put it like this:
There is not much that offends me. I couldn't care less about the things that most people do: I live my life and they live theirs. If you want to do/believe/express something keep it to yourself. However I do mind you bugging other users with it. The whole reason we got rules and such is to create a nice playable environment. I don't know about you, but I don't think its normal to swear in front op younger people, besides if somebody doesn't like swearing respect their wishes... It's not a weird request.
In the end I realize that the basic values have changed in the last years, and somehow the respect to the surrounding people is gone. I still have the decency to respect the wishes of the people around me. If they don't want me to swear, fine I won't. I can find enough words in my vocabulary to express myself without having to resort to swear words. Now I would be lying if I never used them, but unlike others I keep it myself.
Now I know I singled out swearing right now, but this relates to most things. If you can't behave to our standards then just leave, nobody is forcing you to stay here.
As for your 'moderator being almighty god' doesn't make sense. True, we have no power over you and we never will. But we can still address you on the things we think are not 'right' here in this community. If you can't relate to that, you just have to find an other place.
Why? well, because we don't want that kind of people around here, and if you can't live with that: 'Because WE say so'
This clear enough for you?
Hretsam
So on request, here is a printout of the logs (only from around the time he got banned) , filtered some unrelated stuff out of it.
2012-01-31 22:30:22 - Fangula - how old are you, goh?
2012-01-31 22:31:01 - gohKamikaze - old enough to know better, perhaps?
2012-01-31 22:31:16 - Fangula - know better than what?
2012-01-31 22:31:37 - Fangula - daaang
2012-01-31 22:31:38 - Fangula - he's old
2012-01-31 22:33:37 - Fangula - how are you all so old?
2012-01-31 22:34:05 - Fangula - you all are so old
2012-01-31 22:34:05 - SkyeHeart - I've been here
2012-01-31 22:34:13 - mercenaryfrost - lol
2012-01-31 22:34:13 - gohKamikaze - ?
2012-01-31 22:34:18 - Fangula - language?
2012-01-31 22:34:26 - SkyeHeart - Shut up, f*gg***.
2012-01-31 22:34:35 - mercenaryfrost - skye, don't avoid the filter plox
2012-01-31 22:34:39 - SkyeHeart - f*gg***?
2012-01-31 22:34:41 - SkyeHeart - f*gg***
2012-01-31 22:34:44 - SkyeHeart - How is that avoiding?
2012-01-31 22:34:47 - mercenaryfrost - just call them maggots or something
2012-01-31 22:34:48 - SkyeHeart - Not filltered.
2012-01-31 22:35:05 - Fangula - so why can skye swear, but nobody else can?
2012-01-31 22:35:14 - mercenaryfrost - i just told her not to
2012-01-31 22:35:20 - Fangula - him*
2012-01-31 22:37:06 - Fangula - Skye
2012-01-31 22:37:13 - Fangula - the irony of you calling everyone faggots is great.
2012-01-31 22:37:25 - SkyeHeart - lol Settle down, kiddo.
2012-01-31 22:37:28 - SkyeHeart - Go pull my docs.
2012-01-31 22:37:40 - Fangula - That was done months ago.
2012-01-31 22:37:48 - Fangula - I don't have any interest in bothering you anymore.
2012-01-31 22:37:55 - SkyeHeart - Okay.
2012-01-31 22:38:11 - Fangula - mostly because you're a moron, kiddo.
2012-01-31 22:38:25 - Fangula - of all people, you call everyone here "f*gg**".
2012-01-31 22:38:33 - Fangula - "f*gg***"
2012-01-31 22:38:39 - gohKamikaze - We didn't start the flame war...
2012-01-31 22:38:43 - SkyeHeart - Should probably stop talking, because no one cares lol.
2012-01-31 22:38:55 - Fangula - yes, you should, i agree.
2012-01-31 22:38:57 - gohKamikaze - peeps were hangin' on it 'fore I left mah comment...
2012-01-31 22:39:05 - luetzj - excuse me but will you please STFU both of u?
2012-01-31 22:39:15 - Fangula - because nobody cares about how much of a faggot you are, Skye.
2012-01-31 22:40:05 - Fangula - we're just flirting, like good ol' gay friends.
2012-01-31 22:40:15 - Fangula - this is how we flirt.
2012-01-31 22:40:28 - SkyeHeart - I find it ironic you call me a moron, yet you go on /b/net, and everyone thinks the same of you.
2012-01-31 22:40:34 - SkyeHeart - The moronic troll.
2012-01-31 22:40:40 - mercenaryfrost - skye, leave it
2012-01-31 22:40:42 - zer0k - bnet or /b/net?
2012-01-31 22:40:48 - SkyeHeart - There's no difference.
2012-01-31 22:40:55 - Fangula - i don't go on bnet for any other reason than to troll.
2012-01-31 22:41:05 - zer0k - one is battlenet and the other is 4chan
2012-01-31 22:41:09 - SkyeHeart - You don't go anywhere other than to troll.
2012-01-31 22:41:19 - Fangula - incorrect.
2012-01-31 22:41:30 - SkyeHeart - I could probably go to your lot right now, and you'd have a peice of dirt planted.
2012-01-31 22:41:49 - Fangula - yeah, i probably do have a piece of dirt planted.
2012-01-31 22:41:54 - Fangula - what's your point?
2012-01-31 22:42:35 - Fangula - I just find it ironic that you're gay, and you call everyone in here a derogatory term for that word
2012-01-31 22:42:49 - mercenaryfrost - Fang, drop it
2012-01-31 22:42:50 - Fangula - but perhaps nobody here knows your little secret.
2012-01-31 22:43:02 - SkyeHeart - I find it ironic that... /care
2012-01-31 22:43:44 - Fangula - skye is the kind of gay boy that people commit hate crimes on
2012-01-31 22:43:53 - mercenaryfrost - I said, drop it.
2012-01-31 22:44:00 - Fangula - you aren't my god
2012-01-31 22:44:06 - mercenaryfrost - i'm no ones god
2012-01-31 22:44:10 - mercenaryfrost - i'm just a moderator
2012-01-31 22:44:14 - Fangula - exactly. so stop trying to order me around.
2012-01-31 22:44:24 - mercenaryfrost - with the power to order you around.
2012-01-31 22:44:29 - Fangula - no you don't
2012-01-31 22:44:33 - mercenaryfrost - Oh, i don't?
2012-01-31 22:44:35 - Fangula - you have no power, only the illusion of power.
2012-01-31 22:44:38 - luetzj - lol
2012-01-31 22:44:40 - mercenaryfrost - lol...
2012-01-31 22:44:42 - zer0k - lol.
2012-01-31 22:44:44 - luetzj - merc is right fang
2012-01-31 22:44:45 - Fangula - have i allowed you to order me around yet?
2012-01-31 22:44:54 - mercenaryfrost - > implying i need your permission
2012-01-31 22:44:55 - Fangula - am i still doing what i want? yep
2012-01-31 22:45:06 - mercenaryfrost - i think you need a stay in the time out corner
2012-01-31 22:45:07 - Fangula - lol, you do need my permission for me to submit to your illusion of power.
2012-01-31 22:45:37 - Fangula - (MUTED) just because you're on a video game with some moderator flags doesn't mean you're some almighty god.
2012-01-31 22:46:14 - (PM) Fangula > mercenaryfrost - too bad you still need my permission :P
2012-01-31 22:46:17 - mercenaryfrost - Be happy i'm one of the more lenient staff
2012-01-31 22:46:28 - (PM) Fangula > mercenaryfrost - ooooh, lenient staff. hahahaha
2012-01-31 22:46:34 - mercenaryfrost - More of the others would have already kicked you by now
2012-01-31 22:46:38 - (PM) Fangula > mercenaryfrost - oh man, i should be so grateful
2012-01-31 22:46:50 - (PM) Fangula > mercenaryfrost - i didn't even do anything wrong.
2012-01-31 22:47:07 - (PM) Fangula > mercenaryfrost - Skye was the one swearing.
2012-01-31 22:47:16 - mercenaryfrost - You've already harassed a member for her sexuality, and now you're harassing a staff member.
2012-01-31 22:47:19 - (PM) Fangula > mercenaryfrost - all i did was call him out on it
2012-01-31 22:47:41 - (PM) Fangula > mercenaryfrost - harassed a member for "her" sexuality? him, you mean. also... he was the one who
2012-01-31 22:48:00 - (PM) Fangula > mercenaryfrost - also... he was the one who called everyone ''faggots'
2012-01-31 22:48:09 - (PM) Fangula > mercenaryfrost - as if that isn't sexual harassment?
2012-01-31 22:48:25 - (PM) mercenaryfrost > Fangula - Look, pal, i don't think this is the place for you.
2012-01-31 22:48:41 - mercenaryfrost - I think it's time for you to leave, Fang.
2012-01-31 22:48:42 - (PM) Fangula > mercenaryfrost - why, because you're all biased, hypocritical retards who think you have power?
2012-01-31 22:48:59 - (PM) Fangula > mercenaryfrost - i don't think the internet is the place for you, kiddo.
2012-01-31 22:49:10 - (PM) Fangula > mercenaryfrost - i didn't even do anything wrong. you're just mad cuz i'm right.
2012-01-31 22:49:33 - Fangula - (MUTED) lol
2012-01-31 22:49:47 - (PM) Fangula > mercenaryfrost - oh no, you got me
2012-01-31 22:50:06 - (PM) Fangula > mercenaryfrost - geez, i should just submit and be a slave to all the moderators now
2012-01-31 22:50:11 - (PM) Fangula > mercenaryfrost - you sure showed me
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All I saw was Fangula harassing.
Edit: And not shutting up.
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I'm no expert on server rules, but I'd suggest zipping it, Fangula. The more you insult the staff, the less you're gonna be around. And really, you just go around, attempting to be an "insightful" troll, which never works out well. What with you getting muted, kicked, etc.
Another tool amongst the dozens of tools in this place. Keep kissing their ass, man. It'll get you real far, all the while degrading your own Self image.
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Please go into a dictatorship-run country and tell the dictator that he has no power if you don't submit. You'll get your head cut off if you're lucky. That's what this website is, a dictatorship. A generally-benevolent dictatorship, but a dictatorship. That doesn't mean the bureaucracy won't chop your head off.
I'd like to see Fang banned just to break the illusion that people have no power over him. Honestly, it's a wonder that someone hasn't beat the **** out of him IRL yet.
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Thank you, Hretsam.
Well Fangula, there's the chat logs. Still doubt the 'moron' quote?
Also, call me an arse-kisser all you want, but a degree of respect towards othe players and staff on this server IS expected. I also remember you trolling Bman over his sexuality a while back - and weren't you banned for posting a site with 'explicit content'? Attacking staff and other players (perhaps not a perceived attack by you but to the rest of our online community, yes it is) is just digging yourself a deeper hole in ALL our eyes.
True, we can't rob you of your self worth and self-empowerment, but the 'illusion' can certainly rob you of your server privelages. Either abide by the rules our staff have set, or leave. The 'choice' is yours.
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This bickering has gone on long enough. c0n (as he is known by on Battle.Net, and various other places he goes on). You need to understand where your place is, and do not judge others on the outcomes of your actions. You say that people have no power over you, but look at what just happened?
I'll take the time into going into my past history with you. You seem to do nothing else other than troll whoever you talk to. From mascquarading as a female who loves me and is sad that I don't want them, to someone who got raped as a child, and then proceeded to go into grotesque details about how it happened, it's all trolling dude. I cannot believe ONE thing you say that's got truth on it. You have to make it your right to come on and start to mess around with other people.
You say you're not the one to blame, and you're not causing arguments. Well c0n, you ARE causing arguments. You constantly say, "I'm just talking, and people are replying", "It takes two to argue, and I wasn't arguing." These arguments don't hold up with many outcomes of these "discussions." It's been proven that you're not wanted around a lot of places. People despise someone like you. They don't like you.
You've told us that we have no power over you, and that our power is an illusion. This is because you don't seem to believe in rules, or authority, for that matter. You try to make us look as if we have no power over you, where YOU are, on Innectis. Look at what that argument got you into. That doesn't hold up with most people, and it certainly won't hold up with us.
You told me on AIM that 'Innectis has no place on the internet." Well, bro, perhaps you have no place on Innectis. All of this bickering taking place between you, and the members of Innectis, needs to stop. You weren't right to do what you did. You've been banned from so many different places because of your idiocy.
That needs to stop happening on Innectis, and it needs to stop now. You will be given one more chance to prove that you aren't what every member of this community thinks you are.
After this, it will be a permanent ban.
Topic closed to prevent further arguing.