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Fangula
Fangula:
--- Quote from: Skye on February 01, 2012, 02:01:43 AM ---
--- Quote from: Fangula on February 01, 2012, 01:01:40 AM ---Nor does it give you any true 'power', as power over others is merely an illusion.
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And that's why you're banned. ;-]
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That's not the point. The point is, I can still choose. I still have free will, regardless if someone is trying to control me. So your point is moot, anyhow. People only try to control others because they feel powerless over themselves. The problem is, power over others does not exist. It's illusory.
Fangula:
--- Quote from: gohkamikaze on February 01, 2012, 02:43:11 AM ---I see you omitted the part where Mercenaryfrost followed up the 'faggot' incident with a warning, as per normal procedure. Or where you continued to provoke Skye into conflict by stating that you'd refuse to argue with a 'moron'. Also, I see the philisophical point you're trying to make with the 'illusion of power' idea, but there's this thing called 'tact' which, from the portions of this dispute I observed, you need to work on developing. Outright saying to a moderator or any 'so called' authoritarian figure that they 'have no power', despite your beliefs, is NOT a correct and acceptable way to conduct yourself on our server.
Anyway, that's my two cents worth. If anyone disagrees, we'll leave that in the hands of the Admins to check the chat logs.
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I do not recall saying that I refuse to argue with a moron. Also, tact is merely putting oneself into someone else's perceptual box. It is difficult to offend me, for instance, because 1. I realize that it's just the Internet, 2. They're just words, 3. I really don't care what people think of me. People are normally only offended when they're insecure. And it's true, they have no power over me, and I proved that. They can ban me, etc., but that doesn't change me or my beliefs. I still did what I want, and said what I wanted to. I don't need to use "tact." Not that I have anything against it, I just don't feel the need to always do so. It's really the offended person's fault for being offended. One can choose to be offended or not to be.
Also, Skye was even more offensive than I was. I don't see how I was the one sexually harassing anybody. I wasn't the one who said "faggots," but apparently I'm the one who was sexually harassing him.
gohkamikaze:
--- Quote from: Fangula on February 01, 2012, 02:49:12 AM ---
--- Quote from: gohkamikaze on February 01, 2012, 02:43:11 AM ---I see you omitted the part where Mercenaryfrost followed up the 'faggot' incident with a warning, as per normal procedure. Or where you continued to provoke Skye into conflict by stating that you'd refuse to argue with a 'moron'. Also, I see the philisophical point you're trying to make with the 'illusion of power' idea, but there's this thing called 'tact' which, from the portions of this dispute I observed, you need to work on developing. Outright saying to a moderator or any 'so called' authoritarian figure that they 'have no power', despite your beliefs, is NOT a correct and acceptable way to conduct yourself on our server.
Anyway, that's my two cents worth. If anyone disagrees, we'll leave that in the hands of the Admins to check the chat logs.
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I do not recall saying that I refuse to argue with a moron. Also, tact is merely putting oneself into someone else's perceptual box. It is difficult to offend me, for instance, because 1. I realize that it's just the Internet, 2. They're just words, 3. I really don't care what people think of me. People are normally only offended when they're insecure. And it's true, they have no power over me, and I proved that. They can ban me, etc., but that doesn't change me or my beliefs. I still did what I want, and said what I wanted to. I don't need to use "tact." Not that I have anything against it, I just don't feel the need to always do so. It's really the offended person's fault for being offended. One can choose to be offended or not to be.
Also, Skye was even more offensive than I was. I don't see how I was the one sexually harassing anybody. I wasn't the one who said "faggots," but apparently I'm the one who was sexually harassing him.
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You may not, but I certainly DO remember the 'moron' quote. Of course, I had left the server before things escalated to what Mecenaryfrost has considered a bannable offence, but everything you've said was there (minus the denial of percieved 'provocation' and 'sexual harrassment'). So too, was everything that Mercenaryfrost has said. You claimed that Skye and yourself were 'flirting' like 'gay friends' when Luetz asked you to stop - that can easily be taken as sexual harrassment. Perhaps Skye has also breached the rules and deserves a ban, but just keep in mind that you're not exactly innocent either.
Anyway, as I said before, the chat logs are the place to look if there's any confusion as to who did what.
Fangula:
--- Quote from: gohkamikaze on February 01, 2012, 03:27:16 AM ---
--- Quote from: Fangula on February 01, 2012, 02:49:12 AM ---
--- Quote from: gohkamikaze on February 01, 2012, 02:43:11 AM ---I see you omitted the part where Mercenaryfrost followed up the 'faggot' incident with a warning, as per normal procedure. Or where you continued to provoke Skye into conflict by stating that you'd refuse to argue with a 'moron'. Also, I see the philisophical point you're trying to make with the 'illusion of power' idea, but there's this thing called 'tact' which, from the portions of this dispute I observed, you need to work on developing. Outright saying to a moderator or any 'so called' authoritarian figure that they 'have no power', despite your beliefs, is NOT a correct and acceptable way to conduct yourself on our server.
Anyway, that's my two cents worth. If anyone disagrees, we'll leave that in the hands of the Admins to check the chat logs.
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I do not recall saying that I refuse to argue with a moron. Also, tact is merely putting oneself into someone else's perceptual box. It is difficult to offend me, for instance, because 1. I realize that it's just the Internet, 2. They're just words, 3. I really don't care what people think of me. People are normally only offended when they're insecure. And it's true, they have no power over me, and I proved that. They can ban me, etc., but that doesn't change me or my beliefs. I still did what I want, and said what I wanted to. I don't need to use "tact." Not that I have anything against it, I just don't feel the need to always do so. It's really the offended person's fault for being offended. One can choose to be offended or not to be.
Also, Skye was even more offensive than I was. I don't see how I was the one sexually harassing anybody. I wasn't the one who said "faggots," but apparently I'm the one who was sexually harassing him.
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You may not, but I certainly DO remember the 'moron' quote. Of course, I had left the server before things escalated to what Mecenaryfrost has considered a bannable offence, but everything you've said was there (minus the denial of percieved 'provocation' and 'sexual harrassment'). So too, was everything that Mercenaryfrost has said. You claimed that Skye and yourself were 'flirting' like 'gay friends' when Luetz asked you to stop - that can easily be taken as sexual harrassment. Perhaps Skye has also breached the rules and deserves a ban, but just keep in mind that you're not exactly innocent either.
Anyway, as I said before, the chat logs are the place to look if there's any confusion as to who did what.
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Haha, that was a joke. I did not see anybody have anything against me saying "this is how we flirt."
Also, I think joking about flirting is a bit different than saying "faggots." Okay, a lot different. I think that is much more offensive and is seen as sexual harassment much more than simply making a joke about how we flirt.
Also, I'd like to see a screenshot of the "moron" quote.
gohkamikaze:
--- Quote from: Fangula on February 01, 2012, 03:55:26 AM ---
--- Quote from: gohkamikaze on February 01, 2012, 03:27:16 AM ---
--- Quote from: Fangula on February 01, 2012, 02:49:12 AM ---
--- Quote from: gohkamikaze on February 01, 2012, 02:43:11 AM ---I see you omitted the part where Mercenaryfrost followed up the 'faggot' incident with a warning, as per normal procedure. Or where you continued to provoke Skye into conflict by stating that you'd refuse to argue with a 'moron'. Also, I see the philisophical point you're trying to make with the 'illusion of power' idea, but there's this thing called 'tact' which, from the portions of this dispute I observed, you need to work on developing. Outright saying to a moderator or any 'so called' authoritarian figure that they 'have no power', despite your beliefs, is NOT a correct and acceptable way to conduct yourself on our server.
Anyway, that's my two cents worth. If anyone disagrees, we'll leave that in the hands of the Admins to check the chat logs.
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I do not recall saying that I refuse to argue with a moron. Also, tact is merely putting oneself into someone else's perceptual box. It is difficult to offend me, for instance, because 1. I realize that it's just the Internet, 2. They're just words, 3. I really don't care what people think of me. People are normally only offended when they're insecure. And it's true, they have no power over me, and I proved that. They can ban me, etc., but that doesn't change me or my beliefs. I still did what I want, and said what I wanted to. I don't need to use "tact." Not that I have anything against it, I just don't feel the need to always do so. It's really the offended person's fault for being offended. One can choose to be offended or not to be.
Also, Skye was even more offensive than I was. I don't see how I was the one sexually harassing anybody. I wasn't the one who said "faggots," but apparently I'm the one who was sexually harassing him.
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You may not, but I certainly DO remember the 'moron' quote. Of course, I had left the server before things escalated to what Mecenaryfrost has considered a bannable offence, but everything you've said was there (minus the denial of percieved 'provocation' and 'sexual harrassment'). So too, was everything that Mercenaryfrost has said. You claimed that Skye and yourself were 'flirting' like 'gay friends' when Luetz asked you to stop - that can easily be taken as sexual harrassment. Perhaps Skye has also breached the rules and deserves a ban, but just keep in mind that you're not exactly innocent either.
Anyway, as I said before, the chat logs are the place to look if there's any confusion as to who did what.
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Haha, that was a joke. I did not see anybody have anything against me saying "this is how we flirt."
Also, I think joking about flirting is a bit different than saying "faggots." Okay, a lot different. I think that is much more offensive and is seen as sexual harassment much more than simply making a joke about how we flirt.
Also, I'd like to see a screenshot of the "moron" quote.
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I'll accept that as valid - it's understandable. That said, I'm under the impression that you both were joking, and the situation blew up from those jokes being misinterpreted.
Once again, I'll repeat: the chat logs should probably be searched by an admin to discern what actually happened. Admittedly I have no screenshot - in retrospect, perhaps I should have taken one, but what's done is done.
On a lighter note, the amount of times we've quoted each other is ridiculous - I mean, just LOOK at that! :P
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